Tuesday, 3 March 2009
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| Help me with Horse vs. Advisor C Hull 14:57:11 |
| | I'm new to xiangqi so this might be dumb but I can't figure out how to win with one horse against one advisor. A book I have leaves off at that point saying, "black resigns." If anyone can explain the proper tactic I would appreciate it.
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Monday, 16 February 2009
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| Re: Sam Sloan for USCF Board Campaign has created a Flyer Kirk McElhearn 20:48:02 |
| | On 2009-02-15 23:27:53 +0100, samsloan <samhsloan@gmail.com> said:
I have created a campaign flyer for my election campaign for election to the USCF Executive Board. The flyer is two pages long, in PDF Format. It is intended to be printed out on two sides of a single sheet of paper. I ask my supporters (and for that matter my opponents and anybody else at all) to print out this flyer, read it and, if they like it, distribute it. The flyer is downloadable at My wife in the Picture is Japanese. She is from Hiroshima. With all due respect, I'd get a new picture. Your expression is one of, well, I don't know exactly, but it looks strange...
Kirk -- Read my blog, Kirkville http://www.mcelhearn.com
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Thursday, 22 January 2009
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| Re: Game wanted Sparki_uk 20:37:03 |
| | Try http://www.atlanticgames.net
You get an email when your opponent has made their move. Its not as rushed as the "live" chess sites like yahoo!
Good luck!
Andreas Schildbach Wrote: > Gregory Topov wrote:> --> Any one for a good friendly game by mail> Im paul i live in lancashire uk 42 yrs old care> Worker not bothered about wining just enjoy> Playing chess->
-- sparki_uk
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Friday, 12 December 2008
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| Re: Best game by Wlod. Stephan Bird 05:39:50 |
| | On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:30:59 -0800 in 5363148a-cd65-4059-a71e-6543e469625c@s1g2000prg.googlegroups.com, Sanny <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote:
Wlod played with Baby level. It was a game of huge sacrifices. At First wlod gave a pawn sacrifice on move 8. On move 15th Wlod gave sacrifice of its Bishop for a pawn. Now GetClub was a pawn up. On move 21 Wlod sacrifice his Rook for Bishop. Now GetClub was up by a Rook.
I thought you said in <1b4a5e10-76e2-4821-b00a- feac50779b5e@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com> that you were not a slave to the pawn=1, bishop; knight=3; rook=5; queen=9 mentality and not thinking that just because you have material equality that the game is equal.
Or is this a re-introduced bug?
Stephan
-- Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC stephan.j.bird@mad.scientist.comREMOVE Currently in Macclesfield, Cheshire
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Tuesday, 9 December 2008
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| Re: Now, only Rybka can beat GetClub. Stephan Bird 05:02:08 |
| | On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:35:53 -0800 in d7b83615-053a-46d9-ad5a-8c71e03f15da@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com, Sanny <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote:
Now Beginner Level is So Strong that only Rybka can beat it. Human Opponents will not be able to win against the Beginner Level unless they take help of other programs. I played a game between Beginner (10 sec / move) vs Rybka (5 sec / move). Rybka played such unexpacted moves that It was able to win the game in 39 moves. On 20th move Rybka took the h6 pawn with bishop. I was thinking Rybka will loose Bishop. But later Rybka was able to get 3 pawns for a Bishop. Game was equal till 25th move. (Bishop vs 3 pawns) Whilst I applaud what you're doing to an extent (I have not tried to make a chess program), I think perhaps you need to get out of the pawn=1, bishop; knight=3; rook=5; queen=9 mentality and thinking that just because you have material equality that the game is equal. Look into things like pawn structure, development etc...
Stephan -- Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC stephan.j.bird@mad.scientist.comREMOVE Currently in Macclesfield, Cheshire
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Sunday, 7 December 2008
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| Unwise to kill NSA agent. But SS agent... Nomen Nescio 01:10:09 |
| | Spinrad is banned from the islands already for calling you a lunatic. You can disregard all comms originating with him.
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:25:19 PST, marcuswroberts@hughes.net wrote in rec.games.chess.politics with subject "NSA / CIA cutts off Roberts telephone service" via http://groups.google.com in news:7add34bc-a7c8-4465-94cf-67ee0a8268b8@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com from NNTP IP address 69.19.14.37 using Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)...
I expect I will have to leave the USA after I have to kill an NSA agent Kill an NSA agent? Not wise. Will result in too much paperwork for the boys. Wasn't your dream that, for the sake of the little kids, you can kill the SS (SS = Sam Sloan) agent instead? http://www.samsloan.com http://www.anusha.com http://www.ishipress.com http://www.shamema.com They will then build statues of you. Streets with names like Marcus Roberts Bvd will then be found from coast to coast: roll over, Martin Luther King! Kids will be taught about you in every school in the land. St Kitts and even little Nevis will finally get marked on the serious maps. Douglas will give you a medal. Safely back in Hiroshima, Kayo will worship and thank you every day. As an Ambassador, as you said, at time of war you have immunities.
There is no dealing with these people. So your plan is to deal with him in Lead, bro? 22 caliber will not be enough.
Marcus Roberts Ambassador of St Kitts and Nevis (Mr Samuel H. Sloan, Apartment 1B, 1664 Davidson Avenue, Bronx, NY 10453) To make an appointment, call 347 869 2465, 917 507 7226, 850 722 7551. You can drop in on Dylan Loeb McClain at the same time. He may now be found hanging around the restrooms in the New York Times building. Don't they say, kill two birds with one stone (only a proverb, I wouldn't kill a fly)? Isn't the time for action N O W ? Destiny is knocking at your door, Marcus. We did Parker, we will do Lafferty. You do Sloan and McClain. Fair is fair.
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Friday, 5 December 2008
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| Re: GetClub playing like a Big Elephant. Bob Campbell 01:24:19 |
| | "Sanny" <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7f8f1cf5-c22d-4882-9cd0-b7b6a1b6a08b@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com...
Today again GetClub was improved. Now it will play like a big elephant. And throw big trees to whoever plays with it. An elephant is a good comparison. Bloated, slow, and hard to turn around once it blunders down the wrong path.
It will be very difficult to get a win now. Gee, we've never heard THAT one before.
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Wednesday, 3 December 2008
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| Re: Very nice game by Zebediah !!! Bob Campbell 22:12:18 |
| | <chipschap@gmail.com> wrote in message news:a247f0b1-21fb-4b0b-8a8d-54f5ff9df111@p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
Now only Tournament Players can beat the Higher Levels for amatures In another post you rated Normal at 2500, so Master must be, by your logic, about 2700. So Zeb is rated above 2700. I think you need to subtract about 1,000 from all of your ratings.
He makes them up. He is completely clueless about chess, programming AND math.
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Tuesday, 2 December 2008
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| Can White save this pawn ending ? Tantale 13:20:26 |
| | 8/8/1K6/p6p/P7/1P3k2/8/8 w - - 0 5
White to move
JMRW http://www.jmrw.com/
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| An extra minor piece ... Tantale 10:48:15 |
| | Excerpt fom EG168 :
" Before giving some examples I should formulate a general rule: according to classical endgame theory, one extra minor piece wasn't sufficient for a win in a pawnless position. Of course such an assumption was based on intuitive generalization of elementary positions, But chess endgame isn't a math equation and computers now seem to refute that theory. It is almost clear today that one extra minor piece is a general win, except for several endings with less than 7 pieces."
See R+R+N vs R+R
jmrw
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Saturday, 29 November 2008
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| Re: Amazing Victory by US in World Chess Olympiad B. Lafferty 06:28:29 |
| | I'd say thing are looking better for Kamsky in February.
samsloan wrote:
Going into the last round of the World Chess Olympiad, the chances of the US Team for any kind of medal were somewhere between slim and none, as they faced the world-class team of the Mighty Ukraine. On every board, the USA team was outrated by an average of 60 rating points. This made the chances that the USA team might even be able to draw the match to be approximately nil. Amazingly, the USA Team wiped out the Ukraine by 3 1/2 - 1/2, with Kamsky beating Ivanchuk on board one. This will have to go down as one of the greatest upsets in Olympiad history, As a result, the US Team finished in third place and won the bronze medal, even though they had started the Olympiad ranked only tenth. Armenia won, with Israel finishing second. Round 11 on 2008/11/25 at 10:00 Bo. 10 USA United States of America (USA) Rtg - 2 UKR Ukraine (UKR) Rtg 3 : 3.1 GM Kamsky Gata 2729 - GM Ivanchuk Vassily 2786 1 - 0 3.2 GM Nakamura Hikaru 2704 - GM Karjakin Sergey 2730 - 3.3 GM Onischuk Alexander 2644 - GM Eljanov Pavel 2720 1 - 0 3.4 GM Shulman Yuri 2616 - GM Efimenko Zahar 2680 1 - 0 Not to be sneezed at was the result of the US Woman's team, who was not given much of a chance as they started the event ranked only seventh. However, the US women beat Russia and drew with China to finish third in the Olympiad behind Georgia and the Ukraine. This great result by the US Women was made possible because of Anna Zatonskih who won the silver medal with a score of 8-2 with a performance rating of 2571, more than one hundred points above her published rating of 2440 and especially because of Rusudan Goletiani who performed nearly two hundred points above her rating, scoring 9-2 with a performance of 2542, whereas her published rating is only 2359. Among individual players, most notable was former Woman's World Champion Maya Chiburdanidze, who returned to her prior form after years of mediocre results and scored 7 1/2 - 1 1/2, beating both Chinese prodigy Hou Yifan and The Real Woman's World Champion Alexandra Kosteniuk to achieve a performance rating of 2715. Even more spectacular was the result of beauty queen Martha Fierro of Ecuador who scored an amazing 7 1/2 - 1/2 to achieve a performance rating of 2613, one of the best results ever in history for a woman. This was the second amazing result for Martha Fierro just within the last few weeks. Just before the Olympiad, she and her partner won the gold medal in mixed blitz doubles at the World Mind Sport Games in Beijing, China. Nobody would have imagined that a team from lowly Ecuador would win an event like that, but they did, IM Martha Fierro and GM Franco Matamoros achieved historic success by winning this event, defeating powerful teams from China, India and other countries. Sam Sloan |
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Friday, 28 November 2008
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| Re: Very difficult to win at GetClub. Martin Brown 12:22:15 |
| | Sanny wrote:
Now, it is very difficult to win at GetClub as a few strategy were corrected. Sorry Sanny but if Jester can beat it at all then it isn't that hard.
Now, you cannot sit and wait for the program to do mistake and then win the game. Only way to win is by using better tactics. I would refer you to GCs moves 30 and 32 which are lamentable.
Yes, Tactics is still inferior than strategy as it do not think to high depth. It seems to be still quite capable of trapping its own bishop in a corner - this borders on a helpmate style of play!
White -- Black (Jester) -- (beginner) [snip]
It went adrift with 23. ... a6 On eof Ne7, Qd7 or RxR would be OK,
30. Bf4-e5{12} Bf6-g5{6} This is dreadful. Whites reply is obvious and immediately dangerous. Kf7 or Nf5 would be OK. Bg5 is *so* bad that BxB would be better.
31. f2-f4{10} Bg5-h6{6} 32. g3-g4{  Ne7-g6{1 WTF.The only way to save the bishop is one of g5 or g6 The knight fork threat is illusory.
GC is dead in the water from here on.
Regards, Martin Brown ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
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Monday, 24 November 2008
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| auto save games played at playchess.com Nospam 02:23:28 |
| | My friend and I have Fritz 11 installed on our computers, and we have been visiting playchess.com, playing games against other computers in the engine room. Our question is: How can we automatically save all games played with this interface? Any light shed on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much, in advance.
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Thursday, 20 November 2008
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| A proposed solution to the 'disconnectors' on ICC Dave 02:40:57 |
| | If you play on ICC, you have almost certainly come across those that disconnect from the server in a poor or lost position. I am not the only one to find this annoying, but I believe I have a solution which is better than any current ICC solution. If you think so, please tell ICC. If not, tell me why!
If you used the command 'stored'
% stored <SomeICCmember>
then the stored games will be shown. Any games where the player himself disconnected (rather than their opponent) will have an exclamation mark beside them, in Blitzin, (I expect Dasher too). You can also see the same on the console, as below.
Taking as an arbitrary example, 'chess-spy'
****************************** aics% stored chess-spy chess-spy has adjourned games with the following opponents: chemin(!) furaxdog(!) kookoo Paulkov(!) Toalla Chipshot(+!) JackKetch(!) manta2(!) postalite(!) Dimos(!) JmmKing markkutikka(!) rhoward(!) DutchKnight(!) jonkpoet(!) nilsotto(+!) Sirgeorge(!) fibre(!) Just-Jim(!) oopsbot(!) Tarakanovich(!) (+) indicates the player is present. (!) indicates the game was adjourned when chess-spy disconnected. ******************************
There we can see chess-spy has 21 stored games, 18 of which is where he/she disconnected and three (Toalla, JmmKing and kookoo) where chess-spy's opponent disconnected.
ICC have two 'solutions' to the problem of disconnectors, neither of which I feel are very good.
1) If BOTH players agree to use the 'noescape' setting, then if a player disconnects and does not return within two minutes, they loose the game.
This penalises accidental disconnections, which can always happen, especially on long games.
2) If someone is really, really bad, they get put onto a 'disconnectors list'. Then, any time they disconnect, they automatically lose.
The problem with the 'disconnectors list' is that someone has to be really really bad for this to happen. We can see above chess-spy has disconnected 19 times, and he/she is by no means an extream example. I once see someone with over 30 disconnections.
MY SOLUTION
My proposed solution is to have ICC add one extra server variable for each player called 'disconnections'. The variable will be set to the number of stored games the player has, where he disconnected. So in the above case, chess-spy's 'disconnections' variable would be set to 18, not 21.
Once this is done, we could use that variable in a formula, like we would any other variable such as rating, So my formula might be
(rating > myrating -50) & (disconnections < 3)
Then if someone has one or two disconnections, they can answer my seeks, but if they have 3 or more, the server will respond to them them my formula requires disconnections < 3.
This would
1) Never result in a game being loss due to an accidental disconnection with 'noescape'
2) Cut down on the time ICC adjudicators have to spend adjudicating games.
3) Result in a better experience on ICC.
Anyone else feel this would be useful? Can you improve on it? I do not believe this would be hard for ICC to implement. There are currently numerous variables we can use in our formula - I doubt adding one more would be a lot of work.
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Wednesday, 19 November 2008
Monday, 17 November 2008
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| Re: Weakness removed. Peter Osterlund 22:34:20 |
| | Sanny <softtanks@hotmail.com> writes:
Yes it was. As you can see from the log file, glaurung thought that getclub should play 6. Na4 instead of 6. Nxd4. That way it would only have lost a pawn, instead of getting the king in the middle and losing As per below data even Glaurung was unable to see this gambit at move 3... Ng4 As at move 4 it shows a score of 60 points. What was tthe It saw a way to avoid the worst problems by playing 6. Na4 instead of 6. Nxd4. That's why the score was only 60. There was a weakness in the GetClub game that was removed just now. If you are playing a new game Just restart your Computer So that you can play with the improved version of GetClub. There was one weakness in the game that was removed. So that Now it will not fall in such traps. What kind of weakness? I had already started a new game, see below. Do you think getclub has made any bad moves so far because of this weakness? I can terminate this game and start a new one if you want to. Or is it enough to just reboot the computer and continue this game?
[Date "2008.11.16"] [White "GetClub master level"] [Black "Glaurung 2.1, 2 sec / move"]
1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. e4 Bc5 4. Nf3 d6 5. Nd5 Nf6 6. d3 Ng4 7. Be3 Nxe3 8. fxe3 O-O 9. a3 Ne7 10. b4
-- Peter Osterlund - petero2@telia.com http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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Sunday, 16 November 2008
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| Re: Peter win Master Level at GetClub. Peter Osterlund 16:05:17 |
| | Sanny <softtanks@hotmail.com> writes:
Peter played with Master Level using his computer program. Glaurung 2.1 Glaurung 2.1 was thinking for 2 sec / move GetClub Master Level was thinking: 500 sec / move. So GetClub was taking 250 times more time, Still GetClub lost the game. 6. Nf3xd4{392} Ng4xf2{16} Here on 6th move Glaurung gave sacrifice of its knight for a pawn. After 40 ply it recover a extra Bishop. Since Master Level cannot see 40 ply deep it overlooked this move. I am amazed to see how Glaurung find a sacrifice 40 ply deep. It didn't. See my response in the other thread. Glaurung saw the knight capture after a 6 ply search which took 13 milliseconds.
-- Peter Osterlund - petero2@telia.com http://web.telia.com/~u89404340
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Wednesday, 12 November 2008
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| Re: Sleeping Bug removed from GetClub Ruud 01:10:31 |
| | "Sanny" <softtanks@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht news:f817785d-d3e0-4734-9561-3084a86dff41@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
Today Mr Phil played 2 Games with Beginner Level. In first game Mr Phil win the game with white pieces. in second game Beginner was able to win by get forced Mate Wth are you still talking about after all these years. Why don't you find something usefull to do, dude. Don't you notice people here have no good words for your club, and don't care about your endavours at all? Are you daft or do you really think it will still be a succes in the end?
Game Played between Mr_Phil and beginner at GetClub.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr_Phil: (Black) beginner: (White) View Recorded Game: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- White -- Black (beginner) -- (Mr_Phil) 1. e2-e4{0} e7-e6{6} 2. d2-d4{0} a7-a6{2} 3. Ng1-f3{16} b7-b5{4} 4. Bf1-d3{6} Bc8-b7{6} 5. Ke1-g1{82} Ng8-f6{  6. e4-e5{  Nf6-d5{4} 7. Bc1-g5{14} Bf8-e7{14} 8. Bg5-e7{10} Qd8-e7{4} 9. Nb1-d2{16} f7-f5{14} 10. e5-f6{6} g7-f6{6} 11. Nd2-e4{2  Rh8-g8{3 12. Ne4-c5{0} Bb7-c6{4} 13. Qd1-c1{6} Qe7-g7{54} 14. g2-g3{0} Qg7-g4{174} 15. Qc1-d1{  Nd5-c3{24} 16. h2-h3{6} Nc3-d1{20} 17. h3-g4{6} Bc6-f3{6} 18. Ra1-d1{12} Bf3-d1{6} 19. Rf1-d1{  Rg8-g4{64} 20. Bd3-e4{  c7-c6{1 21. Rd1-e1{10} Rg4-g7{16} 22. c2-c3{6} Ke8-e7{16} 23. b2-b3{6} d7-d6{6} 24. Nc5-e6{6} Rg7-g8{7  25. Ne6-c7{0} Ra8-a7{12} 26. Be4-d5{1  Ke7-f8{10} 27. Re1-e8{6} Kf8-g7{10} 28. Re8-g8{0} Kg7-h6{4} 29. Nc7-e6{6} Ra7-e7{42} 30. Rg8-b8{0} c6-d5{4} 31. Ne6-f4{10} Re7-e1{4} 32. Kg1-g2{  Re1-a1{4} 33. Rb8-b6{12} Ra1-a2{4} 34. b3-b4{10} a6-a5{14} 35. b4-a5{6} Ra2-a5{2} 36. Rb6-d6{10} Kh6-g5{  37. Nf4-d5{10} h7-h5{10} 38. f2-f4{6} Kg5-g4{10} 39. Nd5-e3{0} -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mr_Phil: (Black) beginner: (White) View Recorded Game: So Mt Phil was able to win 1/ 2 games so equal point to both beginner & Mr Phil. Bye Sanny
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| Re: Bugs are Biting Corrected Stephan Bird 00:14:01 |
| | On Sun, 09 Nov 2008 22:03:52 -0800 in 3a25328e-0a1c-42ee-a95d-1375b13ccd74@a3g2000prm.googlegroups.com, Sanny <softtanks@hotmail.com> wrote:
Today, the supposedly "bug-free" GetClub program did the following 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bg7 5.Nc3 Nc6 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Nxc6 bxc6 8. Bc4 O-O 9. O-O Nxe4 10. Nxe4 d5 11.Nxd5 Please tell us, Sanny, how a supposedly bug-free program thinks a knight on e4 can legally capture a pawn on d5? The last move was removed It was due to some Mal function. The last wrong move has been removed from the database. So you can complete the game. I think now it will make the correct move. The game is Recorded so you can restart from the point it left. The Move it played was a wrong move Qxd5 and not Nxd5. Since that too was a wrong move I removed that move. Now it will play the correct move by recalculating.
So if another program plays an illegal move, or freezes, you win, but if you do so, you just effectively ignore it? 1-0 to Taylor, I think?
Stephan
-- Stephan Bird MChem(Hons) AMRSC stephan.j.bird@mad.scientist.comREMOVE Currently in Macclesfield, Cheshire
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Sunday, 9 November 2008
Thursday, 6 November 2008
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| Re: Rykba hangs when loosing. Bob Campbell 16:23:56 |
| | "help bot" <nomorechess@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:f78e3dcb-6d64-4468-be3d-840bb7593ed2@g17g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
We've been over this before.
This problem can easily be detected by examining the position with another decent chess program Well there is your answer. GitClub is not "a decent chess program".
BTW, it is "losing", not "loosing"! I am continually amazed at the number of people who get this wrong.
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