My copy (which, BTW, doesn't have the Elric/Cthulhu sections) does have:>
"... J. Eric Holmes (especially for his help with the Cthulhu Mythos)...>
Special thanks are also given to Chaosium, Inc. for permission to use > the material found in the Cthulhu Mythos and the Melnibonean Mythos.">
What you seem to be saying is that there would be a rare printing with > those two in but without the thanks, then after that omitting those two > without the thanks. But that doesn't explain why the thanks are in > mine. If the Blumes took them out because they didn't like the thanks, > why take them out and leave the thanks in there?>
Bizarre.>
I just looked into my copy as well and found the same as yours. I'm only reporting what I know second hand about the reasoning for removal of the two mythos. Here is what the acaeum has to say: http://www.acaeum.com/DDIndexes/SetPages/Deities.html
"First (1980): Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol Otus. Wizard logo. Contains 17 pantheons, including the Chaosium-copyrighted Cthulhu and Melnibonean mythoi. Chaosium is not thanked for these mythoi on the bottom of page 4. ISBN on back cover lower left and on spine. 144 pages. (Thanks to James Kirby for help with this info)."
"Second: Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol Otus. Wizard logo. Contains 17 pantheons, including the Chaosium-copyrighted Cthulhu and Melnibonean mythoi. Chaosium is thanked for these mythoi on the bottom of page 4, with a line reading "Special thanks are also given to Chaosium, Inc. for permission to use the material found in the Cthulhu Mythos and the Melnibonean Mythos." ISBN on back cover lower left and on spine. 144 pages."
"Third: Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol Otus. Wizard logo. Contains only 15 pantheons (the Cthulhu and Melnibone mythoi have been removed), but the back cover of the manual still states "seventeen pantheons". Chaosium is still thanked for them on page 4. ISBN on back cover lower left and on spine. 128 pages."
Fourth (1981): Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol Otus. TSR Face logo. Contains 15 pantheons. Colors are slightly shifted towards blue, as compared with the purples of the first three printings (especially near the top of the cover). Back of manual correctly states "fifteen pantheons", but the Chaosium credit on page 4 is still there. ISBN and Product number on back cover lower left and on spine. (Thanks to Scott Griffin for this info).
# Fifth: Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol Otus. TSR Face logo. Contains 15 pantheons. Colors are slightly shifted towards blue, as compared with the purples of the first three printings (especially near the top of the cover). Back of manual correctly states "fifteen pantheons", and the Chaosium credit has now been removed from the bottom of page 4. ISBN and Product number on back cover lower left and on spine. (Thanks to Kurt Lupinsky for much of this info and the scan). it would appear that the Blumes took three print runs to finally get the two mytho removed completely
Suddenly, JF, drunk as a lemur, stumbled out of the darkness and exclaimed:
"First (1980): Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol > Otus. Wizard logo. Contains 17 pantheons, including the > Chaosium-copyrighted Cthulhu and Melnibonean mythoi. Chaosium is not > thanked for these mythoi on the bottom of page 4. ISBN on back cover > lower left and on spine. 144 pages. (Thanks to James Kirby for help > with this info).">
Cool, my copy's a first edition. Too bad the spine's held together with 100-mile-an-hour tape.
-- Billy Yank
Quinn: "I'm saying it us, or them." Murphy: "Well I choose them." Q: "That's NOT an option!" M: "Then you shouldn't have framed it as one." -Sealab 2021
Anxious Triffid 24 February 2005 20:37:26 [ permanent link ]
JF <jmf@queens.ca> wrote in news:7c5Td.34047$Am3.972663@news20.bellglobal.com:
"Third: Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol Otus. > Wizard logo. Contains only 15 pantheons (the Cthulhu and Melnibone > mythoi have been removed), but the back cover of the manual still states > "seventeen pantheons". >
In article <6rPpTZD6x7GCFwXm@domicus.demon.co.uk>, ian@domicus.demon.co.uk wrote:><weberm@polaris.net> writes
I thought the issue was with HP Lovecraft's estate, in that they had>>>given Chaosium the license to produce Cthulhu stuff, not TSR, and they>>>didn't care for whatever cozy arrangements Chaosiuma and TSR had.>>
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.>
The Lovecraft estate issue wouldn't explain the Elric portion, though.
Didn't Chaosium have some sort of Elric-based game too at the time?
In article <_UPSd.22496$Am3.717863@news20.bellglobal.com>, jmf@queens.ca wrote:
The first printing of the book was stopped briefly while TSR and >Chaosium worked out an arrangement but then continued after reaching an >agreement.>Several printings later, Brothers Blume didn't like having "thank you to >Chaosium" in the credits in order to have the Elric/Cthulhu sections. >Gygax offered to create two replacement mythos for the next printing but >it was declined as they could sell for the same cost with less content.>
A truly rare De&De would not have the thank you in the credits.
In article <7c5Td.34047$Am3.972663@news20.bellglobal.com>, jmf@queens.ca wrote:
"Third: Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol Otus. >Wizard logo. Contains only 15 pantheons (the Cthulhu and Melnibone >mythoi have been removed), but the back cover of the manual still states >"seventeen pantheons". Chaosium is still thanked for them on page 4. >ISBN on back cover lower left and on spine. 128 pages.">
Fourth (1981): Entitled "Deities & Demigods"; cover artwork by Erol >Otus. TSR Face logo. Contains 15 pantheons. Colors are slightly >shifted towards blue, as compared with the purples of the first three >printings (especially near the top of the cover). Back of manual >correctly states "fifteen pantheons", but the Chaosium credit on page 4 >is still there. ISBN and Product number on back cover lower left and on >spine. (Thanks to Scott Griffin for this info).>
[...]>
it would appear that the Blumes took three print runs to finally get the >two mytho removed completely
Erich Schneider 30 March 2005 01:56:44 [ permanent link ]
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> writes:
In article <6rPpTZD6x7GCFwXm@domicus.demon.co.uk>, ian@domicus.demon.co.uk > wrote:> ><weberm@polaris.net> writes>
I thought the issue was with HP Lovecraft's estate, in that they had> >>>given Chaosium the license to produce Cthulhu stuff, not TSR, and they> >>>didn't care for whatever cozy arrangements Chaosiuma and TSR had.> >>
That's pretty much it in a nutshell.> >
The Lovecraft estate issue wouldn't explain the Elric portion, though.>
Didn't Chaosium have some sort of Elric-based game too at the time?
Chaosium had the license for games based on Moorcock's works. They had already published the _Elric_ board game when the first edition of _Deities and Demigods_ was published, in 1980. The first Elric RPG, _Stormbringer_, came out in 1981.
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